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Acorn to Tree Family Podcast

Podcast with Lisa Luciano – Online Computer Safety and Digital Safety

Lisa Luciano taught technology for 40 years and for three decades  specialized in TV Production. It was her dream job. But when the  facility (and program Lisa was teaching at ) was eliminated, Lisa was devastated.  The principal of the school then asked Lisa to come up with a new program – digital literacy and to become the  school’s library media specialist and completely reinvent the library  and turn it into a library media center. The administration and parents  felt the skills taught in the Digital Literacy program were so valuable  that every student needed to be given this instruction, so the program  became required for all students in her middle school to take – even  special education and ELL students which she taught for ten years. Now Lisa offers a comprehensive online program for children, adults and seniors on her website ⁠⁠. You can find Lisa on Facebook, Twitter, Youtube, Linked In and Instagram.

Full Episode Transcript:

Patrice Badami  0:02

Hi, this is Patrice Badami, with Acorn to tree family podcast today, I’m so lucky to have Lisa Luciano here on board to discuss with us online computer safety and digital safety. She is a certified English teacher, she was originally asked by a principal to do a TV production program at this high school. Then they ended up closing that program and he had the insight to mention to her, Hey, we really should have a digital literacy program back when computers were first starting to integrate into society and into schools. So basically, she taught TV production for 20 years, it was her dream job. And the facility that she worked at once again, that program was eliminated the TV production program, Lisa was devastated. And she was asked once again by her principal to begin a digital literacy program. So that’s the whole scenario, her background, she’s done some amazing things. And I want to invite her to say hello and give you a little more information about her. There’s Lisa.


Lisa Luciano 1:05

Hi, everybody, I am so happy to be able to share my message. I have been a teacher or was a teacher for 40 years, and spent the last three months of my career watching parents and teachers and students not know how to deal with the COVID shutdown and the full time digital online world. And it made me very sad to know I was going to be leaving education after the program that I had built. But it cemented in me this idea that I have to do more. So after I retired, I came out of retirement and decided to bring my message and my programs online. Because what we learned from COVID, among other things that shut down is nobody was ready for it. But also kids were online, unsupervised, for the most part and it was nobody’s fault. Nobody can watch what someone’s doing online all the time. But what it started out to be just to go back a little is I was asked to create the digital literacy program. And it was so new at the time, nobody even knew what it should be. I taught it to sixth graders because at that point, I was working in a middle school. And as a pilot program, it did very well. So they said, Well, you know, what can you make a version for seventh and eighth graders. So we had a three years sequence that I created. Because every person and every child at a different level of their development is into different things online. So what a sixth graders are getting trouble for, is not what an eighth grader or a 10th grader is doing. So I had to modify it, and spiral it to address the needs of every one of those girls and also be able to talk to them in the language they would understand, right. And it was a real challenge because they got to the point where they wanted every student in my school to take this course including special education, kids, which they were in self contained classrooms. And if you don’t know what that is not you, Patrice, but those are kids who are in the same room with a special ed teacher and maybe an aide all day long, because they have such challenges for their learning. They can’t integrate yet with regular classes. They gave me those students and said they needed as much as the other kids do, right. And then they gave me ELL students barely spoke English because they wanted them to have it. But what he was, I had to find a way to make this understandable and doable for on different levels,


Patrice Badami  3:38

right. And you needed to be able to guide and help and modify the instruction to ensure that everyone was facilitated to learn, it’s so important for all of the people to learn about these older students. Um, so basically what I want to do and I want to ask you this, a lot of there’s not we can’t assume that will all the parents who are listening necessarily understand the complexities of the digital technology. So starting from the beginning, I want to ask you, what would you say that you that a parent could do at the home level in order to protect their child concerning Wi Fi access, and, and also not just what the children are looking at that the students but the ability of other people to tap into outside people to tap into their, their wireless network, because not too many people are doing Ethernet? So the wireless, you know, they can be vulnerable? What would you suggest to families to start there to prevent outsiders coming into their network?


Lisa Luciano 4:45

Well, the first thing you have to do is make sure you didn’t do what most people do, which is just keep all the defaults. When you get the Wi Fi system. It’s usually password is password, crazy things like that. Brian, want to make sure that You have picked up a unique password that is not easily guessable, like, your address or anything like that, or somebody knows you. And they know something about maybe your name, nothing like that. So make sure the password is correct. And you also want to make sure that it’s not discoverable. In other words, you locked down the Wi Fi access so that anyone who’s in the area, because what happens now they found out is the scammers. And these bad guys, they go around in cars, and they have like a radar system, and they find your Wi Fi, it’d be sitting outside your house. Yep. And they’ll tap into it. So you want to make sure you lock down your Wi Fi. And you can get that online, you could email me just many, it’s not that hard to do. So you don’t have that little lock, when you see the Wi Fi thing that is locked. So someone can just pop into your Wi Fi system. The other thing that a lot of people don’t think about is you and your children have to stay away from public Wi Fi systems, we do your books or whatever. That is a predators playground, they are waiting for people to do that. And also, believe it or not Bluetooth they’re finding now is not that secure. It’s a really complex situation. And I take that on in the program, that you can do this and this and this and this, but the first thing is lock your own Wi Fi down and make sure it’s a password and don’t tell your children. Nope, because they have trouble not sharing information they may let in on it or whatever they trust the wrong people.


Patrice Badami 6:37

Yeah, I was, I was gonna say something that I’ve learned because I have a high tech guy who comes in, and he scrubs my network. And he takes care of everything like you know, we work together. One thing he also mentioned is when you if you have teenagers, if you have teenagers who have guests and whatnot coming in, you can create a second network and have that one be called guest network and put all of your private information, all of your banking, you go through the other network. And I also suggested make it something that doesn’t even have a word, make it something that could something that could be people would assume is a business where it’s called something along lines of like maybe 5678 20. It sounds it sounds like that people will steer clear a bit if it sounds like something that could be a business nearby or something in the sense that it’s just letters, numbers, characters. Don’t name it after your pet, don’t do it. But don’t even let your children let them don’t even tell them say we have one called guest network. That’s the end of it. And there’s more than enough room on that guest network for at least 10 devices. And you’re never going to need that many at one time. Anyway. So yeah, that’s the first thing that we did. But what I was gonna say also is, I want to double check with you on this. So if you’re out at Starbucks, and you’re using your cell phone as your hotspot, what’s your feeling on that? Is that secure? Because from what I understood from my tech guy, I mean, I use certain products, that that secure in the sense that you make sure on your settings, you put it where no one can just tap in you that it’s only for you. Does that make sense? To offer that? Yeah, right. Yeah,


Lisa Luciano 8:23

absolutely. You use it’s a little higher level in terms of the tech side of it. But one of the end network? Yeah. In fact, believe it or not, my my kids weren’t great. There’s so trusting, which is can be good and can be bad. My students would come to me and say, Michelle, we figured out how to hack the school network and like, oh, boy, but instead of getting upset, I said, Oh, really? That’s so cool. That’s so smart. How did you do it?


Patrice Badami  8:52

Yeah, exactly. Right. You don’t want them? Yeah. And the


Lisa Luciano 8:55

two ways they did it was they changed the address. Like, for example, our network, blocked Facebook, because we didn’t want to, of course, children on it. They figured out that if you put an S after the HTTP, that still gets you to Facebook, but the school network had not blocked. So I ran to the technicians. And I said, guys, at this address there. But the other thing that some of the kids I didn’t realize we’re doing because you can’t watch them as much as even as much as you walk around the room, the minute you turn your back, they’re doing things and they were bringing their own VPN or going on to them while they were in school. Therefore, they could go around the school network that was protected.


Patrice Badami  9:39

Yeah, exactly. Well, I’ll tell you something about that. When I was working as a sub i use my hotspot all the time. So they use their hotspot, they could do whatever they want. Right. And that’s a little I mean, I was doing work that I wasn’t able to access, I think like Canva or whatnot. But yeah, that’s something for the parents to be aware that when they have these phones, there’s a hotspot, I don’t know where it if there’s a way when they have a cell phone service, we know there’s certain ways to protect that cell phone as the parent offering the phone that you’re paying for. So you’re a teenager, you can block in certain ways, but can they go around it? That’s the thing. Can you do it at the store level at the telephone plan level? Or is it something they can get around? That’s a question also?


Lisa Luciano 10:28

Well, the thing is, for every block and filter, there’s a way around at certain times, simply can’t keep up with it. But here’s what you can do, which is one of the first things I tell parents to do is check the history on the device? Oh, yeah, that’s correct, yes. Because now you’ll see, I don’t care what network they use to get there yet. Security is the issue with those networks. But if you can’t control it, because they’re out of your sight, you can see where they went. Because they will be there, if


Patrice Badami  10:59

they’re gonna hand the phone to you. That’s the only thing but the thing is, they can clear the history though.


Lisa Luciano 11:05

Right? That’s where you have the conversation, because one of the teachers, forming alliances with your children, make them understand, I’m not spying, I’m not trying to control you, or deny you from having fun. I’m trying to keep you safe and alive. And I and you have to let me help you do that. Because I might know some things that you don’t know, because I’m simply more mature than you are. And I know, right? So what I would do is before they even get the phone and say, here are the rules. And you lay down certain guidelines for you can do this, and this and this. And that’s, and one of the things you cannot do if you want to keep your phone is erase your history. Because if I see nothing there, I’m going to know you did it. So yes, that


Patrice Badami  11:51

makes sense.


Lisa Luciano 11:53

Sometimes after the fact, it’s a little tougher, or the older they are, the less likely they are to let you be part of what they do. Basically, what you just said, my phone, my rules, when you start paying for the phone and the Wi Fi signal, then you can do anything you want. But until then, I have to do this because I care about you, and I want you to be safe. And sometimes or not sometimes anyone at any time can be fooled.


Patrice Badami  12:21

Yeah. Now, here’s another question. It’s funny, because I’m so happy that you’re hearing you’re offering this information, because there’s a lot of people who really don’t know a lot of this stuff. I know, it’s simply because I have a website, and I’m learning about the technology. But another thing I have a question for you about and it’s going off of the original questions we have, but it’s flowing here. I really I like it. Okay, so if you have a child, let’s say, grade school or elementary school, and they have their phone, their tablet, their iPhone, there is a way that you can block the camera from having predators looking at your child explained to me this, how do the predators how are they able to hack in and watch what your child is doing from the outside? How does that happen?


Lisa Luciano 13:07

Well, it can happen a lot of different ways. Sometimes kids will simply give too much information. But mostly it’s because the device has not been set to protect the IP address in the device. If that is that door is open, all the predator has to do is be online with that child even for a short period of time. They can get in so and sometimes kids let them in, they’ll say can I can come into your computer. And they it’s crazy, but they do it. But it’s mostly that the protections, the firewalls, all the things that have to be in the device itself are not on or they’re not up. And then that means it’s like leaving a door open and unlocked.


Patrice Badami  13:48

That’s really scary. If you’re saying in settings and settings, for example, they would go into settings, you’re the parent would go into settings, and you would put make under Security, you would ensure that the firewall is up, and you would ensure that it is locked, if that makes sense. So yeah, that’s very easy that people don’t know that they know for my daughter and I she only had this little game I didn’t get her an iPad I didn’t want to at first it was given as a gift. So she’s on there looking at things that I’m watching her however, this is something that we have to you have to always make sure you don’t think about it. The other thing is to be the one thing I wanted to offer also is YouTube has a lot of terrific great resources for children now this is the thing. They have a lot of good resources for their educational however, I came across something she was watching something called pool patrol on the clock which was a little puppies, their little dogs. There was someone who came in, they created a video I learned this when I was actually in class, because we were looking at we were allowing the children to have a brain break and they were able to Look at the paw patrol cartoon. Well, the to the head teacher at the time, and then I came home and check this, the head teacher actually stepped away, I looked up at the screen and I saw something and I immediately turned it off. It was a man who had these four Paw Patrol dolls, and he had was diapering them. And there was, it was just inappropriate was strange. It was a dog, it was a stuffed animal. But it had, it was going somewhere I didn’t like I said, That’s not. And that’s the point is that if your child likes maybe frozen, or whatever it is, things can come in people, predators know what kids like, they will create videos in the area of what you’re interested in. Know, they’re not going to be trademark frozen present, for example, but they might be a knockoff doll, and you don’t know what you’re going to see next. So they when you create a YouTube video, you can actually choose as a creator, is this video for a child, and then it’ll automatically feed into that. So there’s no filter for a parent to say, oh, you know, these are all children’s videos, not necessarily, it could be something inappropriate created by a predator who wants to attract the child? And you have to be so on top of them and careful of what they’re watching. Right. So I wanted to mention that to you and just validate that.


Lisa Luciano 16:19

Absolutely, in fact, what they found out at one point that somebody figured out this technique of just insert something in the middle, because parents may look at the beginning and say, Oh, this is fine. And it was one of those crazy online challenges where encouraged kids to take their life, Oh, my goodness, Harry character that would come on, and they’d be fascinated by it. So they would go and look for those videos, the act of gosh, yes. So but their good news about YouTube is that they do have a children’s version of it, where the parent can set up the controls. And then that puts it on YouTube, that if something sneaks in, then they should have checked it. So that you know, there are child friendly versions of the channel, or you can create a channel for your son or your child. And you can pan pick the videos, but it does mean that you’d have to watch them all and it’s so hard to to get through the entire video. So that they have enough to select from. But so I would never ever, ever let a child just go on YouTube. The regular version of it, right?


Patrice Badami 17:22

I mean, so even. But even though there’s YouTube Kids, which is what I think the one you’re referring to, again, stuff can slip in, and it’s intentional, and we have to be so careful. These kids are so impressionable. Um, and so yes, that’s something I wanted to bring up. So I wanted to I wanted to go to some of these topics here. Alright, so parents are often unaware, like we had mentioned what your child is doing online at the older level. Okay, so let’s say we’re now we’ve talked about elementary school, you know, and even preschool, some children have tablets, I didn’t let her have a tablet at that point. She has it now. But when when the child starts to move towards junior high and older Elementary, they start doing things like gaming. And gaming is where there’s different versions of it. But you can actually see the other person who’s work who’s like playing the game. So you’re in one corner there and another and you’re basically trusting and just playing a game with someone you don’t know who this is, what’s your take on that?


Lisa Luciano 18:28

Well, gaming is something that kind of goes under the radar big we, the thing we worry about with gaming is addiction. And that huge problem now. But beyond that, it is a problem. Because predators have figured out scammers have figured out this is where kids are going to be. So what you get, and then also bullies, cyber bullies, you get on game there is cyber bullying, where someone will lure you into a relationship or where you’re gaming with this person, then it becomes competitive, then it becomes ugly, then it becomes abusive. Or they have gamers go after a particular person, maybe they’re really good at the game and they want to knock them out of the situation. But also a parents don’t realize is because it’s their credit card that’s on file that allows the child to like buy credits or you know, whatever, on the game, whatever. Hackers spend extra time trying to get into kids accounts by making friends with them, getting to know them so that they can get more information about how can I get into that account and get to the parents credit card. Things most parents don’t look for with gaming. And it’s it’s a big deal. Yes. I’ve had students come to me saying Mr. Chow. I’m on one of these group games and they are so mean to me. I mean, they won’t even let me play they told me all these names. I didn’t even like gosh, it was that bad. Yeah, they could just use it as an excuse to to do cyber bullying.


Patrice Badami 19:53

Yeah, see my kids never my my kids did never really got into the computer game. I got them. We, so they it’s like all right here, do what you want with the weight, I never really had that they were just they don’t have the interest really, to go online. But that’s something so be aware of what your child is doing. If they’re going to be doing this gaming, maybe you should set up a place in where it’s the family area, perhaps the living room, so you can keep an eye on have rules don’t let them go up into their bedroom with with the can be I mean, if that’s not worked out, it’s a good idea to have a special dedicated family area for computer use, then it’s a little bit less likely that they’re gonna be doing things that they don’t want you to see if you’re walking past them back and forth. That’s another thing.


Lisa Luciano 20:42

If you’re not paying attention, what they do is they’ll have their device, which whatever it is, but usually it’s a phone, and they’ll hide it until you think they went to bed and then they spend the entire night. Oh, yes, I’ve experienced that. It’s the only thing to do is either, like you said, have a public room where they know people are watching. And be careful. Another thing another tip for parents, don’t ever let your children use your login, like some polls never login. But if you’ve set things like Amazon and whatnot for automatic ordering and whatnot, kids can get into anything they can get into your banking information. They should have their own individual logins, not even all the kids each kid because then you check that login, because you should have the login credentials, what they’re doing, because then you know who’s doing what, but never give them access to your login. That’s what a lot of families do they have one computer in a room, and they figure Okay, everybody’s on the computer, that doesn’t really change anything in terms of access.


Patrice Badami  21:44

Right? So not so number one, you want to be able to have them do have their own login for security financially. So they’re not able to ask, you know, if they have the login and they might be able to and then you don’t, a lot of times people are in Amazon say mom’s in Amazon dad’s in Amazon, they’re ordering something they forget to log out, right, give the child access to the main computer boom, they get right into the Amazon now. It’s not even just that it’s there’s so many other areas of security that you’re financially good at. What about if you went on and you will usually the banks will log you out after a minute. That’s what they’ll do. But having said that, create the second network. Have the kids have their own logins. And when guests come in, because they can have that doesn’t matter. Oh, no. Let me tell you something that I heard that someone wants once mentioned is that oh, you know, we need to get into your main, unique, you know, we need to get into your main login for your network because there’s not enough room on the other guest network. That guest network is not as strong. That’s something someone was said to me. It’s not able to take the traffic, can we please use yours. Now when somebody said that red flag, yep, red flag. But the the end of the story is, your guest network will have just as much speed and accessibility as your second private network, you can let your all guests including people you don’t know very well come over and use that like so you have just an acquaintance you made work and give them the guest network you never know. It’s just an extra cushion of safety. And as you mentioned, something I want to mention again, you assigned, you come up with your new plan for your Wi Fi in your home. And you get a new router, and you get a new modem. And you know what they come with their own logins. Now the people who are installing it for you, we’re not assuming they’re doing anything. But you know what, for your own security, create a new one. As soon as it’s set up, it’s so easy. It takes five minutes, create your own passwords, create your own logins. And you can even lock up the box. Because if you leave the router out, they can factory reset it somebody, perhaps one of the friends of your child you don’t know. You gotta pretend just so you can get a lockbox and then lock it up, have it set finished and then you block or the here’s the password, here’s the login for your guests network. So that’s so important. Be hyper conscious, it will make you have that extra cushion of feeling comfortable in your own home. Another thing I was going to mention before is on your child’s devices. Oh, look at that on your child’s devices. Let me just close this for a second. Believe it or not, we’ve been talking about so many wonderful things that we’re almost at the end here already. We want to have you back as a guest please. I would love to do that. What I was gonna say tell us about cameras on these devices. Do we put the little dots on it? Or do we not? If you’re doing a Zoom video like we’re doing right now? No, you wouldn’t put the you take the dot off. But you can buy these things through Amazon anywhere you go there little black dots. So just as an extra in case you didn’t lock it Go through the firewall for the devices for your children and you didn’t lock it down. It’s an extra question of security. If you put this little black dot that child’s not even going to notice it, because it blends into the back of the computer blocks out the camera. So in case you didn’t remember, or in case, whatever, it’s an extra question of security. So let me take a look, I want to talk to Lisa, once again, let me tell you where you can find Lisa. So Lisa Luciano and her email address or not her email just her her website address, give them your website address and leave. It’s online safety success. Right. Okay, you can find her on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, and YouTube. She has the video series tell us about the video series you offer?


Lisa Luciano 25:43

Well, I have different programs. The one that I find the most effective, the video series is okay. But there’s only so far you can go into video. This is such a complex issue, because some of the subjects I take up are scams, and I try to cover children, adults and seniors, because children as seniors are our most vulnerable, yes, online for various reasons. But they just don’t know how to make good decisions for different reasons. digital device addiction, crazy, dangerous online challenges. I just saw on the news a few days ago, a 12 year old girl in Argentina, hung herself. Because there is a game it’s called the hanging game or the choking game. She had tried it twice before and succeed because the ideas you pass out, and then you survive. And the third time around, she couldn’t get out of the news she had created her father found her who walked in the bedroom and found her home. Imagine what that does to a parent. But they had no idea she was doing this. Yeah. So that’s one of those things that a lot of people don’t talk about, because they don’t think their child will ever do something crazy. They do it on a regular basis for reasons sometimes they get pushed into it by their friends. Sometimes it’s for you know, just I can do something crazy. And I’m gonna you know, people going to know me bad reasons, but they do it. I talk about fake news and fake websites, which is a huge topic for schools. Because we ask kids to do research, but we don’t teach them what’s real. What’s correct. What’s okay, what’s not like Wikipedia, there’s a gigantic debate over whether you should we use Wikipedia. And I have a lot to say about that. Because there’s a way to use it to verify what they’re doing. Just whenever you communicate, emailing, texting, messaging, the things we do wrong, and that are not safe, but also could cause a problem. The whole issue of social media, I could do a whole course just on that. Right? When you search online, that’s another thing parents can do. When you look at their history, see where they went? And where they keep going back to their your child’s searching may give you clues to are they on apps and sites, they simply should not be on at all? Or why do they keep going back to that site? Who are they talking to? What are they? And then, you know, one of the things I go into also is how to know which apps are okay, and which ones should immediately be taken.


Patrice Badami  28:08

Right? Well, you know what, what else I want to mention when you were talking about seniors, I want to give you something that I actually experienced firsthand. Okay, so I had an HP printer wasn’t working. I said let me get into the call, go on the computer, find customer service, make sure that the actual IP address is the correct one. There are scammers out there who will save you let me have remote access to your what your computer I kept, oh, never let me have remote access so that I can go in and fix your printer. Well, I realized that it was a scam halfway in. All right. But what’s interesting is seniors don’t know that’s something you can do a whole course on that too. How to find the correct customer service for banks, for credit cards for computers for your your devices. If you go onto the wrong thing, and anybody says remote access immediately step away. Hang up the phone. Don’t Don’t do it. Because they don’t need to do that. For example, HP, they don’t you have to learn and we have to figure this out when you look at the the HP address if they have for example dot s dot r but if there’s anything after Isn’t that an indication that it’s a scam site?


Lisa Luciano 29:28

Yeah, that’s one of the things I teach every one of my courses is look at the address first. If it doesn’t, like If it’s anything else that’s not the real Facebook and that’s anybody can buy a scary name and look like I know that was a scam. after a natural disaster, somebody bought the address red The Real Red Cross is red


Patrice Badami  29:57

See, and then they were probably getting donations. I can’t Don’t even think about it right now. They also, there’s also, I’m sure, many different charities that are very well, I don’t know, specifically very well known that someone’s buying an address very similar and they’re getting. And it’s so easy to set up a donation of, you know, a little app or something within that website. So we have to be listened, Lisa, we’re definitely going to talk again, because I want to inform these parents, I want them to feel empowered, I don’t want them to be frightened. I want them to be aware, be extra cautious, because this is the world we’re living in. Oh, my goodness, I’m so glad she came today. So Lisa Luciano, once again, online safety, please check it out, take a look at all the different information, there’s different bits of information on there, that can be very helpful now. And if you really want to go in depth and learn much more, she has these wonderful courses that are inclusive of so many things we’ve discussed just now


Lisa Luciano 30:56

is that the parents can just have their children take it. And then I give parents all the resources to support what the child learn. They can take together, grandma and grandpa can be part of this. I think it’s a terrific idea, of course, because then there’s a bond and an understanding between everyone that we’re doing together to keep everyone safe. I just wanted to mention on my Facebook page, online safety and success. If you go there, I give three tips every single day.


Patrice Badami  31:26

Oh, that’s amazing. I’m gonna go on right after we have the podcast. Yeah, definitely.


Lisa Luciano 31:31

older ones, too. You’ll see a lot. That goes it’s unfortunately, on my safety is timeless.


Patrice Badami  31:38

Yeah, I was just gonna say the other thing is teach your children young. Yes, get in there. The minute you put something in their hands, boom, that’s when you have to you have to discuss. And that’s it’s so important because it’s not like when we were children and the television was a babysitter per se. And if when you’re cooking or whatever it was channel 13 or whatever it was. And you see you can sit there and cook and see what they’re doing. But when their back is turned from you, and they’re on the device, you have no idea what’s going on. So it’s you have to you know, come up with solutions together. Have everyone sit down discuss it. Oh, it’s just such an important topic. So once again, Lisa Luciano, online safety So glad you came so happy to have met you. And we’re going to be speaking again because we need to hear more from you. So once again, thanks so much for joining us for the acorn to tree family podcast. Thank you. Take care, you too.

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